What is your view of the Godhead? Trinitarian..

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What is your view of the Godhead?

Trinitarian: One God in three persons. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Binitarian: The Father and Son are Divine beings. Holy Spirit is the Father's power.

Biblical Unitarian: Only the Father is divine. Yeshus is the son of God, but not divine and fully human. Holy Spirit is the Father's power.

God Family: Taught by the late Herbert W. Armstrong and various offshoots. Godhead is currently composed of the Father and Son, but will also include resurrected human beings in the future.

I did my best to difine the terms, but if you feel they are not accurate, then pick the one that is closest to what you believe. Thanks.

Trinitarian

Binitarian

Biblical Untarian

God Family

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Revelation 4:5 says there are seven spirits of Yah. I believe it says it again in 5:4 and one more time. I can look it up for you if you like.

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Yahweh is eternal. Yeshua is the firstborn of all creation. Basically unitarian but with pre-existence. Yeshua says some things that make it impossible for Him to not pre-exist. At the same time the book of Hebrews mandates that a death has taken place. God can't die. One could say Yeshua is divine because He came from God and went back to Him, though.

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Sorry that I spelled "Untarian" wrong. It is supposed to say Biblical Unitarian.

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I've been exploring Biblical Unitarianism. I never thought that I would accept the fact that Yeshua isn't Elohim/God but a human being. Just to be clear, here is what I do believe about Yeshua:

I believe that Yeshua:

Is the Son of Elohim.
Born of a virgin.
Is the Messiah.
Lived a sinless life.
Died for the sins of the world, raised from the dead and is now siting at the right side of the Father.

I no longer believe that Yeshua is Elohim/God. Here are some of the reasons:

Yeshua had a beginning, but Yah always existed.
Yeshua is not all-knowing (he admitted that he doesn't know the day of his second-coming). Yah knows everything.
Yeshua died and raised from the dead. Yah never died.

There are things that I am still exploring such as whether or not Yeshua pre-existed. But other than that, I am a Biblical Unitarian that believes that Yeshua is Messiah, but not Elohim/God.

Here is a link for more information:

https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/why-bu

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When we grasp the concept Of The ETERNAL Word LIVING in Abba's bosom and being take out and sent in the FORM OR LIKENESS OF HUMAN FLESH, without the sperm and egg, not being from the DUST, not being the LIE of the theanthropos. We then
have the entire JPEG LOL picture!

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The Aleph TAF or Alpha Omega clearly declares YAHUSHA, like ABBA, has no beginning or end regardless of time or how man attempts to define time.
Hope that helps.

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Great topic and I love the level decorum displayed here. Unlike fake book where such discussions turn into war zones.

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correct they are not the same..The WORD was relocated. Simple. Same substance and essence and eternality. Hebrews 5: 9 teleiōtheis
τελειωθεὶς ,
having been perfected
V-APP-NMS meanng being COMPLETE IN HIMSELF i.e. perfectly mature and self sufficient or the greek can mean through His accomplished consumated finished work He became our captain leader etc.

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I believe that Biblical Unitarianism leads to true monotheism in that there is truly only one Elohim/God.

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Deuteronomy 6:4 is very clear and i lay it out in a bible study here:
https://docs.google.com/docume....nt/d/1x3nZoTmFVkP5vd

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This is true but His flesh was not a dust suit like ours. He has a different kind of flesh thus certainly NEVER a Theantropos.

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here is a quick video my 10 year old daughter helped me make to visualize the marriage https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=....p-Zp7warQ4M&pp=y

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After Yeshua was resurrected, he was examined by the disciples and found to have flesh and bones.

Luke 24:36-43 NKJV says,
36Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. 38And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

40[j]When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?” 42So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish [k]and some honeycomb. 43And He took it and ate in their presence.

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DeWeese You are correct YHVH cannot die because He is spirit. what are we? we were made in YHVH image and we are spirit as well and dont die for our flesh goes to the earth and our spirit goes back to God. our spirit wears a flesh suit just like every spirit does on this earth made in the image of YHVH. Simply put, it was a marriage contract between God, the Creator of the universe (Jehovah/Yehovah/YHVH strongs H3068 Gospel in the name of God preserved in the English KJV Exodus 6:3 - Psalms 83:18) and Israel which was a “mixed multitude” not just Abraham Isaac and Jacob’s seed. Their blood line will bless all nations with this relationship with God and a reason there was a mixed multitude that left Egypt…

(Exodus 12:37-38) And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.
(38) And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.
How do we know that the “Old Covenant” was a marriage covenant?
We know because of their subsequent divorce where Yehovah stated that Northern Israel (Hosea 2:2) “ for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband”
Yehovah could only divorce Israel if He had once been wed to her. In Jeremiah, Yehovah specifically stated that He gave the northern Kingdom of Israel a certificate of divorce and put her away.
(Jeremiah 3:8) And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce

Their divorce created a seemingly unsolvable dilemma because, according to His own Instructions in (Deuteronomy 24:1-4) a husband cannot take back his wife who has cheated on him
If the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce [kerithuth כְּרִיתוּת], puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, then her former husband [in this case Yehovah] who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before God… (Deuteronomy 24:3-4)

Consequently, there was no conceivable hope for northern Israel to return to a marriage covenant with Yehovah or for Judah and Israel to ever reunite. Reconciliation with her groom would, according to Yehovah’s own commandments, result in abomination and the land becoming defiled. Nevertheless, Yehovah passionately calls His wayward wife to return (repent) to him and presumably, He would have to find a way to work things out.

How could Israel be brought back into a marriage covenant without Yehovah violating His own law of divorce?
How can Israel be brought out from under the law of divorce? See Romans 7:1-2 and Galatians 5:17-18
(Romans 7:1) Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Paul then explains how a woman is covenant to her husband only as long as he lives. When the husband dies, the divorce is nullified.
(Romans 7:2) For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Yehovah the spirit He is came here and manifest into the flesh of Yeshua to shed His flesh suit Yeshua the same way we shed ours when we lose it (called death) spirit lives on but flesh suit dies. Husband must go through the same process we were assigned by violating the blood marriage contract. animals were commanded to remind us flesh needs to die and it reminded us one day flesh would come and die in the place of the bride israel so we could marry back into His embrace through Yeshua... the only way now to the Father is through the Death of the flesh of Yeshua the flesh suit of the Father.

Following that, Paul reaches crescendo with his exciting conclusion that through Yeshua/Jesus (the manifest Word of Yehovah in the flesh), the wife, Israel, can be married to a different husband – which is none other than the Risen Yeshua – Wow!

(Romans 7:4) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
In other writings Paul explains how the curses of the divorce because of the broken marriage covenant died with Yeshua, being nailed to the cross.

@Chris DeWeese  You are correct YHVH cannot die because He is spirit. what are we? we were made in YHVH image and we are spirit as well and dont die for our flesh goes to the earth and our spirit goes back to God. our spirit wears a flesh suit just like every spirit does on this earth made in the image of YHVH. Simply put, it was a marriage contract between God, the Creator of the universe (Jehovah/Yehovah/YHVH strongs H3068 Gospel in the name of God preserved in the English KJV Exodus 6:3 - Psalms 83:18) and Israel which was a “mixed multitude” not just Abraham Isaac and Jacob’s seed. Their blood line will bless all nations with this relationship with God and a reason there was a mixed multitude that left Egypt…  
 
 
(Exodus 12:37-38) And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.  
(38)  And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.  
How do we know that the “Old Covenant” was a marriage covenant?   
We know because of their subsequent divorce where Yehovah stated that Northern Israel (Hosea 2:2)  “ for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband”  
Yehovah could only divorce Israel if He had once been wed to her. In Jeremiah, Yehovah specifically stated that He gave the northern Kingdom of Israel a certificate of divorce and put her away.  
(Jeremiah 3:8)  And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce  
  
Their divorce created a seemingly unsolvable dilemma because, according to His own Instructions in (Deuteronomy 24:1-4)  a husband cannot take back his wife who has cheated on him   
If the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce [kerithuth כְּרִיתוּת], puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, then her former husband [in this case Yehovah] who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before God… (Deuteronomy 24:3-4)   
  
Consequently, there was no conceivable hope for northern Israel to return to a marriage covenant with Yehovah or for Judah and Israel to ever reunite. Reconciliation with her groom would, according to Yehovah’s own commandments, result in abomination and the land becoming defiled. Nevertheless, Yehovah passionately calls His wayward wife to return (repent) to him and presumably, He would have to find a way to work things out.  
 
  
How could Israel be brought back into a marriage covenant without Yehovah violating His own law of divorce?  
How can Israel be brought out from under the law of divorce?  See Romans 7:1-2 and Galatians 5:17-18  
(Romans 7:1)  Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?  
Paul then explains how a woman is covenant to her husband only as long as he lives. When the husband dies, the divorce is nullified.  
(Romans 7:2)  For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.  
Yehovah the spirit He is came here and manifest into the flesh of Yeshua to shed His flesh suit Yeshua the same way we shed ours when we lose it (called death) spirit lives on but flesh suit dies. Husband must go through the same process we were assigned by violating the blood marriage contract. animals were commanded to remind us flesh needs to die and it reminded us one day flesh would come and die in the place of the bride israel so we could marry back into His embrace through Yeshua... the only way now to the Father is through the Death of the flesh of Yeshua the flesh suit of the Father. 
 
 Following that, Paul reaches crescendo with his exciting conclusion that through Yeshua/Jesus (the manifest Word of Yehovah in the flesh), the wife, Israel, can be married to a different husband – which is none other than the Risen Yeshua – Wow! 
  
(Romans 7:4)  Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 
In other writings Paul explains how the curses of the divorce because of the broken marriage covenant died with Yeshua, being nailed to the cross.

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How was the Gospel given to Abraham before Yeshua was born... easy... its in the Name of God. Find out how... here: https://docs.google.com/docume....nt/d/10gFwcIi2-DJNuJ

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Agree with the death of the husband part and 2 house reference for sure. The only thing we all need to grasp was the FLESH was FLESH FOR SURE, but a specific type unseen of and unheard of before, prepared by ABBA for the mission. See Psalm 40 and Hebrews 10.

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@as long as you/ we all agree or can agree that He is YHUH come in the flesh that is the main thing. Then we need to see that neither an egg or sperm was used. shalom https://www.yourarmsoflovetois....raelcongregation.org

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i love the discourse and love in this discussion, this is how we know we are among true believers of the one true Elohim.

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right yes thats correct. but he exsisted as the Word before there was a Mary and Joseph; the new race is the same as spoken of in First Peter chosen nation James uses the term race in place of nation or a nation of kohanim...yes yes and yes

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Yes, i explain it in my book. The Word is eternal and became flesh from heaven which means it was not derived from earth. Watch out for the deception of the Dual
Natured Messiah.

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i dont see a definition of no flesh here "9 He speaks of HIS FLESH because it has no human dust origin, it shall rest in hope."

Abraham’s bosom is a parable.

"rather HIS FLESH will escape corruption, proving once and for all, that it had no human component whatsoever and there are no other HOLY ONES among men."

where do you get "no human flesh" in scripture?

this part is true "He declares that His flesh is the ONLY ONE OR THE SET APART ONE"
its true because the Husband (YHVH) must come to dissolve the first divorced marriage contract or we all die. and that flesh suit Yeshua is only for the spirit of YHVH to fill it.

"[John 17:5]! We see rather His return to the Father at-as His right hand. This great truth conclusively demonstrates that The Adon Yahusha cannot be "an elohim" among elohim or a mere elohim, as He has been given all power over human flesh [John 17:2]"

I have to admit this part is accurate because the flesh suit is just the suit YHVH wears and is not YHVH. YHVH is the spirit that operates the suit. This is how we can see YHVH and interact with Him because no one can see YHVH. YHVH always has to fill something in order for us to see and interact with Him... documented by scripture YHVH is an angel, bush, pillar of fire, pillar of smoke, a dove, and Yeshua the flesh vessel... just as scripture says YHVH is omni present, all in all and everywhere at all times and in and on and of anything at anytime He want to be while He sits on His throne... how can He do this... well for one He is GOD and two.... via his Holy spirit.

see i have read yours but you seem to not have read mine. I am easy to get along with brother and im willing to check scripture for accuracy in my understanding but how do we grow if we cant sharpen iron with iron.... if you dont look at what im saying then where is the iron for you... if all you want is an echo chamber im not that guy. im willing to look at your info which i have shown you I have but i need you to explain it because it doesnt seem obvious to me how you are coming up with this stuff.

so far what i saw from that link is speculation of what it could be and adding to scripture. i am sorry unless you can show some more solid scripture to prove your understanding i cant seem to follow it and it seems to contradict with everything scripture documents.

i dont see a definition of no flesh here "9 He speaks of HIS FLESH because it has no human dust origin, it shall rest in hope." 
 
Abraham’s bosom is a parable. 
 
"rather HIS FLESH will escape corruption, proving once and for all, that it had no human component whatsoever and there are no other HOLY ONES among men." 
 
where do you get "no human flesh" in scripture? 
 
this part is true "He declares that His flesh is the ONLY ONE OR THE SET APART ONE"   
its true because the Husband (YHVH) must come to dissolve the first divorced marriage contract or we all die. and that flesh suit Yeshua is only for the spirit of YHVH to fill it. 
 
"[John 17:5]! We see rather His return to the Father at-as His right hand. This great truth conclusively demonstrates that The Adon Yahusha cannot be "an elohim" among elohim or a mere elohim, as He has been given all power over human flesh [John 17:2]"  
 
I have to admit this part is accurate because the flesh suit is just the suit YHVH wears and is not YHVH. YHVH is the spirit that operates the suit. This is how we can see YHVH and interact with Him because no one can see YHVH. YHVH always has to fill something in order for us to see and interact with Him... documented by scripture YHVH is an angel, bush, pillar of fire, pillar of smoke, a dove, and Yeshua the flesh vessel... just as scripture says YHVH is omni present, all in all and everywhere at all times and in and on and of anything at anytime He want to be while He sits on His throne... how can He do this... well for one He is GOD and two.... via his Holy spirit. 
 
see i have read yours but you seem to not have read mine.  I am easy to get along with brother and im willing to check scripture for accuracy in my understanding but how do we grow if we cant sharpen iron with iron.... if you dont look at what im saying then where is the iron for you... if all you want is an echo chamber im not that guy. im willing to look at your info which i have shown you I have but i need  you to explain it because it doesnt seem obvious to me how you are coming up with this stuff. 
 
so far what i saw from that link is speculation of what it could be and adding to scripture. i am sorry unless you can show some more solid scripture to prove your understanding i cant seem to follow it and it seems to contradict with everything scripture documents.

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first must allow scripture to define what a Human is, and what a spirit is.

A human is a flesh vessel.
2 Timothy 2:20-21 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. (21) Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.

1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then the dust [flesh vessel] will return to the earth as it was [originally molded from the dust of the earth as Adam], And the spirit [made in the image of God] will return to God who gave it.

We were made in God’s image.

John 4:24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

Because God is spirit and not a human, means we are made in his image as a spirit, and live inside a human vessel experience that our spirit wears. Our eternal Identity is our spirit, not the flesh vessel we wear like a robe. God made our spirit a robe to wear and we got it dirty.

The uniqueness of our flesh is our DNA that God molded His work of art, then signed His name with his hands.
Every human flesh vessel needs to have a spirit for the flesh to function.
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Jesus/Yeshua is no exception, and His Spirit was the Spirit of God himself in the Flesh of Jesus/Yeshua. John 6:57 "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the [Spirit that gives Yeshua human vessel life is the Father’s Holy Spirit] Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

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All Hebrew names have a meaning and His is no different for the Son of God. The FULL Hebrew name of our Messiah is Yehoshua and His shortened name of endearment is Yeshua, like Charlie is to Charles. The Hebrew “YEHO” is the first part of the Father’s name Yehovah יְהֹוָה , and the “SHUA'' part means to save, and together it means: Yehovah saves! Father manifest in the Son. This is how you know He’s the Messiah because He actually comes in the Father’s name in front of His. John 5:43a I am come in my Father's name

Cleanliness is important to God and He cannot be in anything “unclean” He cannot be in an unclean environment. This is why the temple had to be clean, and the Priests that enter into it must be clean. Even Moses had to take his shoes off to be in the presence of God for He is Holy. This is why we should do our best to look to the bible and how to do everything we can to keep our bodies clean for they are a temple for God.

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(Matthew 1:17) So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. [through Mary’s side]

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 (45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
(46) Howbeit that was not first [Adam created by the Spirit of God’s hands] which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward [Yeshua born naturally from a womb] that which is spiritual [Father’s Spirit manifest inside the natural born flesh temple of Yeshua].
(47) The first man is of the earth, earthy[Adam]: the second man[Yeshua] is the Lord from heaven[Father’s Spirit inside the flesh vessel Yeshua]. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifestG5319 in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
G5319 φανερόω phaneroō fan-er-o'-o From G5318; to render apparent (literally or figuratively): - appear, manifestly declare, (make) manifest (forth), shew (self).

Yeshua/Jesus the flesh vessel of God.
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us[God in a clean flesh vessel on this earth. Flesh = robe].

Matthew says “God with us” God is not a man, but God can be here in Spirit because God is spirit.
The pure innocence of Mary gestating her first fruits, the baby of Yeshua before accountability was a necessity of purity, part of the miracle and cleanliness to house the Spirit seed from God. Yeshua was born into a world of sin but not from a vessel/womb of uncleanliness. There was no unclean seed from a sinful man and there was not an unclean womb because she could not have reached the age of accountability or monthly cycles of a mature woman or God would not have been able to place His Spirit into an unclean space.

Revelation 3:5-6 (5) He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment [a new clean and righteous vessel for your spirit]; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
(6) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

@Sholiach Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky (Matthew 1:17) So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. [through Mary’s side] 
 
1 Corinthians 15:45-47 (45)  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 
(46)  Howbeit that was not first [Adam created by the Spirit of God’s hands] which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward [Yeshua born naturally from a womb] that which is spiritual [Father’s Spirit manifest inside the natural born flesh temple of Yeshua].  
(47)  The first man is of the earth, earthy[Adam]: the second man[Yeshua] is the Lord from heaven[Father’s Spirit inside the flesh vessel Yeshua]. 1 Timothy 3:16  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifestG5319 in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.   
G5319 φανερόω phaneroō fan-er-o'-o  From G5318; to render apparent (literally or figuratively): - appear, manifestly declare, (make) manifest (forth), shew (self). 
 
Yeshua/Jesus the flesh vessel of God. 
Matthew 1:23  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us[God in a clean flesh vessel on this earth. Flesh = robe]. 
 
Matthew says “God with us” God is not a man, but God can be here in Spirit because God is spirit. 
The pure innocence of Mary gestating her first fruits, the baby of Yeshua before accountability was a necessity of purity, part of the miracle and cleanliness to house the Spirit seed from God. Yeshua was born into a world of sin but not from a vessel/womb of uncleanliness. There was no unclean seed from a sinful man and there was not an unclean womb because she could not have reached the age of accountability or monthly cycles of a mature woman or God would not have been able to place His Spirit into an unclean space. 
 
Revelation 3:5-6 (5)  He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment [a new clean and righteous vessel for your spirit]; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 
(6)  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

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If Yeshua was this new Adam you talk about then why do we need Mary? If Yeshua is this perfect new human God or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are saying because i cannot follow it in scripture so please forgive me... If Yeshua is this new Adam then why is Mary used... and why not just beam down another Adam from Heaven and or why not just mold a new one from the dirt just like the first Adam into an adult male Yeshua? I really just cant follow what you are saying brother please forgive me... I just dont find scripture this esoteric, hidden, and complicated. the bible is to be easy. Bible says "God manifest in the flesh" whos flesh? well the flesh of Yeshua... how... via the same way God manifest in all the other forms... bush, angel, pillar, dove... NO different via His holy spirit brother.

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I am seriously interested in how you understand who YHVH married in the first marriage? who gets married in the 2nd marriage and what your understanding as why there are two marriages and if you do believe in 2, then where do you think the fist marriage went? since Jeremiah 3:8 says Israel was divorced how does YHVH fix that since the bride/wife Israel from that point on can never remarry... unless the divorce is dissolved? How does your understanding view the divorce and how do you deal with it in your understanding?

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