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Rhy Bezuidenhout
Rhy Bezuidenhout  
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3rd or 4th Temple

I understand that some believers are waiting for the 3rd Temple to be built. This could be as a sign of the end-times or because they want to go there and do sacrifices themselves; bearing in mind that only the sin sacrifice has been replaced by Yeshua's sacrifice and the other 4 sacrifice types will commence on the New Earth.

Reading 1 Maccabees which spans the "400 quiet years" it tells of the temple being rebuilt as the 3rd Temple. This will then make the expected Temple construction the 4th version.

(Side Note: 1 and 2 Maccabees include within them the earliest references to the story of Hannukah and reads just like other books in the current Bible canon.)

1. Is there any significance to the version number of the expected Temple?

2. Also, do you accept 1 and 2 Maccabees as Scripture or totally reject it and why?

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GidgetsMom

I accept these books, as they give important "missing" info. The reason the protestants left them out is because they are supposedly giving more power to the priests than protestants wanted, like wisdom and sirach supposedly do. The priests need to have some power to govern in a theocracy! Its not exactly Yah's original blueprint, but chaos had ensued. As for the number of the temple, I dont think it matters too much. Yes, Yah has favorite numberrs, but I dont think Herods temple counts. It wasnt commenced upon Yahs order.
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Steph

I'm still researching the whole temple thing, both number and location.

I accept the Apocryphal books as extra info, helpful to read, but not on par with the Torah/Pentateuch. Which I guess I look at Paul's letters the same way but.. other subject...
If I remember correctly the Apocrypha was included in Bibles up until the 1880s, so I figure my gr, gr-grandparents probably read them.

As far as I & II Maccabees in particular, that is something I think is important for my children to hear- another account of people following the Most High even to death.
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Joshua Myers

Ezekiel 43: 19 You are to give a young bull as a sin offering[l] to the Levitical priests of the family of Zadok, who come near to minister before me, declares the Sovereign Lord.

This is speaking of a future Temple during the Millennial Reign.
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Joshua Myers

I view the Maccabees books similar to some other books in the Canon. They are history, and worth being studied for that. Should we put major focus on them? Probably not.

How many sermons or teachings have you come across on 1 or 2 Chronicles?

Same for the other extra books that are included in the Septuagint. Although the Esdras books are supposed to include the prophecies of Ezra. I haven't read them yet. -- Why? Because they are part of the Septuagint. It is one of our oldest sources for Scripture, but at the same time the TaNaK of Judaism and the OT of Protestant Christianity are the same and do not include those books either and I believe there is something to that. Which is why I don't put a lot of weight to them.

From what I have read of the books, they are interesting and can give some good insight to thoughts and behaviors of the time.
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GidgetsMom

The 70 years in babylon didnt end with darius' decree to rebuild the temple, only when Yah directed the jews to rebuild the temple did the exile end. Mans plans do not take precidence over Yahs.
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GidgetsMom

Rhy, im not understanding "then the final...wont count".
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GidgetsMom

I dont remember where in scripture, but someone once pointed out the temple wont even be in jerusalem, but in one of two valleys: one to the north of jerusalem, the other next to the jordan river, east of the temple mount. It was a small passage, and with modern maps i couldnt discern which place for sure, but i thought this tidbit was interesting.
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Chris Deweese

 
All 4 Maccabees are in the LXX. But we need to be careful saying that just because a book is within the covers of a Bible that it was intended to be considered scripture. In olde time printed bibles, these books were in a separate section (Apocrypha) indicating "not scripture but important".

I like and use 1 and 2 Maccabees while being comfortable calling them "not scripture". The Jews didn't include them in the canon referenced by Josephus. I've only found two reasons: they don't know the author and/or the books were written originally in Greek. The Jews do not like stuff written in Greek.

Which verse calls the temple the third in 1 Mac? Maybe I missed it. I've always read that to be a cleansing of the second temple and a rededication, not a third.

I'm leery of a third (or whatever number) of the one that everyone thinks is going to be built before Yeshua returns. I've only seen three temples in my studies of the Word: Solomon's, the second, and the one Yeshua is bringing with Him. I don't see any prophecy of a man-made temple being made after the Daniel 9 prophecy, but perhaps I'm missing that, too.
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GidgetsMom

Here is a reference to a place being watered by a stream flowing from the temple that is very far from jerusalem:

Joe 3:18 KJV And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.
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