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What do you think of tithing?

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I have a friend who studied many hours and believes that tithing is no longer valid for us today. I personally believe that it is a mute issue. I'll explain why.

Every ministry needs regular financial support of some sort. Getting rid of tithes and offerings does not eliminate the need for regular financial support. All that would happen is that a different method of funding would take its place, just for the sake of not calling it "tithing". What do you think?

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All the offerings required in the Torah are still applicable today, except the levitical tithe. There's no place where The Most High said that Ministries are supposed to be supported financially by Yashar'el unless it's the levitical priesthood.

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Three thoughts just came up:

1. How does the findings fit in with Matt. 5:17 “Don’t think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. 18 Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened.

2. Where are we instructed that the church building has replaced the Temple?

3. We need to confirm what "valid" means in this instance. Can't a law be undertaken or has it been done away with? Like Joe has eluded to, the tithe to the Temple can't be undertaken, but the other two tithes can still be done. We might choose not to do so, but it hasn't become undoable nor been done away with.

The same study method to show that tithing is no longer "valid" can be used to prove that any command has been done away with. BUT that comes back to point 1.

If we in any way believe that Yeshua has taught against the Torah then according to Deut 13 we have to reject Him as a false prophet. In that case, simply because the masses say that they believe His teachings against the Torah is true doesn't then suddenly make it true. I therefore have to take Matt. 5 for what it says and none of the law has been done away with as heaven and earth still exists in its previous forms.

A. The Levitical Tithe (The First Tithe) - Numbers 18:21, 24
B. The Festival Tithe (The Second Tithe) - Deuteronomy 14:22-26
C. The Poor Tithe (In the Third and Sixth Years) - Deuteronomy 14:28-29

As example, there is no instruction to explicitly say that the temple tithe now has to go to a church.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't love our neighbour nor support a cause we feel we want to. I'm saying that the strict adherence of that one tithe (not all 3) can't be kept, but we should still do the others which we can.

A thought that just came up is: where do we draw a line between which laws can be kept and which can't?

Also, who determines which version of a law is the one we have to accept after the fact?

Modern-Christians take is as far as: "if Paul said it then it is Gospel, whether it is against Torah or not."

We could then step back and say that if Yeshua said it and it is against Torah then it is the new law.

Or we can go back to the first mention of the law... So must the Passover meat be fried in fire or boiled according to the second instruction or boiled over fire; as per the 3rd mention of that law?

Three thoughts just came up: 
 
1. How does the findings fit in with Matt. 5:17 “Don’t think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. 18 Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened. 
 
2. Where are we instructed that the church building has replaced the Temple? 
 
3. We need to confirm what "valid" means in this instance.  Can't a law be undertaken or has it been done away with?  Like Joe has eluded to, the tithe to the Temple can't be undertaken, but the other two tithes can still be done.  We might choose not to do so, but it hasn't become undoable nor been done away with. 
 
The same study method to show that tithing is no longer "valid" can be used to prove that any command has been done away with.  BUT that comes back to point 1.   
 
If we in any way believe that Yeshua has taught against the Torah then according to Deut 13 we have to reject Him as a false prophet.  In that case, simply because the masses say that they believe His teachings against the Torah is true doesn't then suddenly make it true.  I therefore have to take Matt. 5 for what it says and none of the law has been done away with as heaven and earth still exists in its previous forms. 
 
A. The Levitical Tithe (The First Tithe) - Numbers 18:21, 24 
B. The Festival Tithe (The Second Tithe) - Deuteronomy 14:22-26 
C. The Poor Tithe (In the Third and Sixth Years) - Deuteronomy 14:28-29 
 
As example, there is no instruction to explicitly say that the temple tithe now has to go to a church. 
 
I'm not saying that we shouldn't love our neighbour nor support a cause we feel we want to. I'm saying that the strict adherence of that one tithe (not all 3) can't be kept, but we should still do the others which we can. 
 
A thought that just came up is: where do we draw a line between which laws can be kept and which can't? 
 
Also, who determines which version of a law is the one we have to accept after the fact? 
 
Modern-Christians take is as far as: "if Paul said it then it is Gospel, whether it is against Torah or not." 
 
We could then step back and say that if Yeshua said it and it is against Torah then it is the new law. 
 
Or we can go back to the first mention of the law...  So must the Passover meat be fried in fire or boiled according to the second instruction or boiled over fire; as per the 3rd mention of that law?

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