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Controversial topic for this month's discussion and many do have different opinions on this. I would really like to see what and how people think and react to this. Maybe help me learn more on this subject. But as for now, I believe Paul has changed many of Yeshua's teaching and if you look at many "believers" -- they follow Paul's teachings rather than Yeshua's teachings.

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I agree. I hear "but Paul said..." far too often. The translation read does make a little difference though. I have the Aramaic English New Testament. Paul isn't interpretted as talking in circles so much, but there are still key places where he doesn't jibe with Yeshua, the prpophets, or Torah. I've had many people over the past two decades try to explain these inconsistencies away. Reuel did help me understand what Paul mens by "natural" when talking about head coverings, but he left out why Paul goes through that discourse, only to say they had no tradition of women wearing head coverings. Yet, many congregations believe they should cover. I have a list of places I have found contradictions in Paul's leters that I have shared elsewhere on here. I can repost if needed. The list used to be longer, but the AENT helped resolve some.

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Nick, your question isn't that controversial as there are many who are stuggling with Paul's teachings.

I believe it is a good time to start documenting our notes, for the community.

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Here is an interesting example which had me thinking last night. I want to draw a parallel between the fact that when Yeshua clarifies a law then we automatically accept it as being good, but when Paul does the same then we want to kick against it.

In Matt 5:31 Yeshua says: “It has also been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife is to give her a certificate of divorce’; 32 but I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on grounds of sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who has been divorced commits adultery.

Is Yeshua teaching against the Torah instruction on divorce? If so, then we have to reject all His teachings according to Deut 13.

My personal view is that He is setting a higher bar for His children to strive to. In this example, we shouldn't even have divorce as a "cop out clause" in our minds when entering into marriage. Only when a person sins through immorality then the marriage can be dissolved.

BUT, and this is important, divorce according to Torah in certain instances is still permitted and Yeshua didn't rewrite Torah.

If He did give a new law on divorce, what then is the "new law" around harlotry? Is Hosea then in danger of punishment even if he married a harlot on instruction from Father, if Yeshua has rewritten the Torah?

It is examples like this that make me realize that I can't read any of the New Testament on face value and MUST look at the law for reference.

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