What do sliverists do if they live in a place like..

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What do sliverists do if they live in a place like Seattle, WA? It rainsmost of the time there. Rain means clouds. Clouds mean a moon can't be sighted. They would have very few, very long months!

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Well, I am in the same boat. The UK is a very grey country, mostly overcast with about 2 weeks of proper summer each year and if you blink then it is gone. 😆

I have just taken this photo to show you and it hasn't been Photoshopped. 😁

So, there are three parts to my conundrum and your question is about part 3:

1. What if I live at a different latitude than Israel? - If I live below the equator or in a different climate region then my seasons can be as much as 6 months different. Do I then look at my local barley harvest and keep my season according to my local conditions?
2. What if I live at a different longitude than Israel? - The moon will be visible/non-visible minutes or hours later or earlier than in Israel. Do I then keep the day according to my local sighting?
3. What is the start of a moon/month? - Is the absence or the visibility of the moon confirmation that the new moon/month has started?

I have been thinking about the conversations we have had about Passover and Sukkot having to fall on a full moon and if it is out by a day or two then our calculations are wrong. Is that maybe an assumption on our part? I can't recall any verse that says that it has to be. Even Ps 81:3 which says: “Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.” isn’t clear to me as to the day it is talking about.

We want to assume it is Passover, but then “new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day” indicates that the appointed solemn feast day (assuming it is Passover) has to be on the new moon. So both dark moon and sliverers are out by about 14 days if we want a full moon at Passover.

If Ps 81:3 talks about Yom Teruah then the new moon can be a dark moon, the first sliver or a full moon as we are yet to determine for 100% certainty what moon phase is the new moon.

I personally am stumped at this point in time as I can’t for the life of me find any verses that outright states when the new month starts and therefore whether I have to look at the dark moon, the sliver, the full moon or for that sake, any other phase of the moon. That is why people are using so many other signs to try and find a stable “foundation” to keep the feasts at and at least feel that we are keeping it in accordance to Father’s will.

If you have come across any additional verses then please add it to: https://social.ttn.place/forums/thread/95

I now believe that the cloudiness of the UK is teaching me that we are living under a curse and therefore can’t keep Father’s feasts as He has ordained. We won’t be able to figure it out as too much culture and information has been lost over the generation for us to know for certain what the Bible says we should do. All that we can do is to support one another in our faith and if we keep the feasts at different time then we don’t judge as we can’t prove from Scripture alone that our own view is correct.

Well, I am in the same boat. The UK is a very grey country, mostly overcast with about 2 weeks of proper summer each year and if you blink then it is gone.  😆 
 
I have just taken this photo to show you and it hasn't been Photoshopped. 😁 
 
So, there are three parts to my conundrum and your question is about part 3: 
 
1. What if I live at a different latitude than Israel? - If I live below the equator or in a different climate region then my seasons can be as much as 6 months different.  Do I then look at my local barley harvest and keep my season according to my local conditions? 
2. What if I live at a different longitude than Israel? - The moon will be visible/non-visible minutes or hours later or earlier than in Israel. Do I then keep the day according to my local sighting? 
3. What is the start of a moon/month? - Is the absence or the visibility of the moon confirmation that the new moon/month has started? 
 
I have been thinking about the conversations we have had about Passover and Sukkot having to fall on a full moon and if it is out by a day or two then our calculations are wrong.  Is that maybe an assumption on our part?  I can't recall any verse that says that it has to be. Even Ps 81:3 which says: “Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.” isn’t clear to me as to the day it is talking about. 
 
We want to assume it is Passover, but then “new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day” indicates that the appointed solemn feast day (assuming it is Passover) has to be on the new moon.  So both dark moon and sliverers are out by about 14 days if we want a full moon at Passover. 
 
If Ps 81:3 talks about Yom Teruah then the new moon can be a dark moon, the first sliver or a full moon as we are yet to determine for 100% certainty what moon phase is the new moon. 
 
I personally am stumped at this point in time as I can’t for the life of me find any verses that outright states when the new month starts and therefore whether I have to look at the dark moon, the sliver, the full moon or for that sake, any other phase of the moon.  That is why people are using so many other signs to try and find a stable “foundation” to keep the feasts at and at least feel that we are keeping it in accordance to Father’s will. 
 
If you have come across any additional verses then please add it to: https://social.ttn.place/forums/thread/95 
 
I now believe that the cloudiness of the UK is teaching me that we are living under a curse and therefore can’t keep Father’s feasts as He has ordained. We won’t be able to figure it out as too much culture and information has been lost over the generation for us to know for certain what the Bible says we should do.  All that we can do is to support one another in our faith and if we keep the feasts at different time then we don’t judge as we can’t prove from Scripture alone that our own view is correct.

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Heres another question: if you are meant to judge abib 1 by the literall barley becoming abib during that month, what do you do in sabbatical and jubilee years when the land is resting?

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I see where you are coming from. The constellations tell the story of scripturevthe gospel, from beginning to end. They were put there for signs. The names of the stars are recorded from very ancient times. They reveal the details of each constellation. I was cynical of EW Bulingers book at first, but when time after time the names of the stars told the story of redemption and could be referenced in scripture, I was amazed. He really did his research. My only problem with the book was at the end when he attempted numerology and therefore prediction. He was wrong, but by exactly 50 years.
If we ignore a third of what Yah designated to be used as signs for times and seasons, we're not going to have the whole picture.

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