Isaiah 45:7 got stuck with me this past Shabbat. Some translations have it as "causing peace and creating #disaster ", but the original is "I make peace, and create #evil ".
Evil ?
How did I miss this before???
I looked at the first occurrence of the word; which is in the name "the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" and yes, the word "evil" in Isaiah 45:7 is understood to mean evil.
So Satan isn't the origin/creator of evil; iniquity was simply found in him so we can call Satan the first evildoer.
I have so many question on this:
- Why would Father create such a stumbling block?
- Is evil merely a test of self-will so that we can show our true colours?
- Is our understanding of the word "evil" correct?
- Did Isaiah write down exactly what he heard?
- Did the original text go astray over the centuries?
What are your thoughts on this?
#originsofevil
Henk Wouters
to my surprise the king james is one of the few that translated right.
to its credit, considering the smaller store of ancient texts it had to work with (and that in those available texts corruptions were already imbedded), the king james is excellent work.
makes me think, our Father is not evil, yet He created it. therefore, evil has purpose.
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Henk Wouters
sin crouches at the door of our hearts, waiting in desire to jump in. and then it becomes 'something', but we are told to master it.
but sin was not the cause of cain's anger, his refusal to do right was, and abel became the object of his anger.
and now while typing i search a bit and find a strange thing.
references to adam all seem to say that he sinned, but not tha he was evil.
references to cain, however, have the connotation that he was evil.
so talking about the beginning of sin, adam is mentioned, but about the beginning of evil, cain is.
i haven't checked this exhaustively, but it looks to indicate that adam erred, sinned, but not that he then 'refused to do right'. cain did 'refuse to do right', and not only sinned, but evilled, if i can make a word.
looks like we missed loads of stuff before, hehe.
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Lotte Klunder
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And is first mentioned in scripture in Genesis 2:9
‘And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and EVIL.’
Genesis 2:9 KJV
I thought that was a nice detail that speaks for itself
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GidgetsMom
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Caleb Lussier
When heat is lost we call it cold. When life is lost we call it death.
Yet cold and death are not actually things but absences of the things.
We get our juxtaposed view of good and evil from Greco-Roman and old Anglo-Saxon views filtered through old French notions. Yet Hebraically evil is the absence of good not the opposite.
YHWH creates evil. And so very many things are called evil including merely those things we don’t like that are otherwise righteous. YHWH calls the punishments He brings on the deserving “evil”. The Bible also calls pain “evil”. It calls the great day of YHWH “evil”…yet it is so very good too. How can evil be also good? Hebraically.
Most of our western understanding of evil are clouded by medical ideas and church mythology.
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Caleb Lussier
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Henk Wouters
it'll be an eye-opener to some degree for many.
for the most part i agree with what he concludes.
absence makes the heart grow fonder gains new meaning.
caleb, around the battle of the jabbok, genesis 6:3 and isaiah 57:16 come to mind. the adversary is not even mentioned, yet the same concept is from a very different source.
on lucifer, well, if we think of ourselves as a hebraic one day fly, which regarding some things scripted is very correct, the transitioning from the night to the day brings us to a moment when it is we who are that morning star.
the only subject i don't see directly mentioned, and i'm genuinely interested in your answer, is that man of lawlessness...bonus point if that what holds back is also included, hehe.
(that's stumped me so far)
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Jay Carper
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