Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going back to God...
John 13:3
I don't see a reasonable way to interpret the Gospel of John to say that #yeshua is not God and didn't exist before his conception in Mary. Yeshua existed before Creation, created everything, is God, was God, came from God, and returned to God.
I get that this is difficult to understand, but insisting that there is no way to reconcile these apparent discrepancies shows an inability (at best) or unwillingness (at worst) to think outside one's own box.
Also notice that this thought is echoed by Paul in Ephesians 4:8-10. I think that's deliberate, and it dramatically contradicts how many people interpret Paul's words.
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Henk Wouters
It may be different, but it looks like the flesh that He became (john 1:14) only got formed in mary's womb. and looking at it like that, Him IN the flesh, ie His flesh, had not existed before.
i say it like this because we talk of things of God from our limited (biological) understanding.
this does not in any way contradict the description john gives of His begotten Being.
we, on the other hand, get created into being along with our flesh.
it's the trap of thinking you are (a part of) your flesh, iso realising your (by itself dead) flesh is but a part of you.
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