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Resurrected bodies

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Being raised in the church, I never questioned what I was taught about the resurrected bodies given to believers after Judgement.

It was my understanding that it would be a perfect, "unbreakable" body that doesn't suffer injury nor death and doesn't get tired.

(Well, I won't even go into the whole "living in heaven for ever and every" part of that belief system as I have very early on learnt that that isn't Scriptural.)

If so, then what is the purpose of the Tree of Life growing on both sides of the river running east out of the New Jerusalem?

Revelation 22:2 reads: "Through the middle of the broadway of the city; also, on either side of the river was the tree of life with its twelve varieties of fruit, yielding each month its fresh crop; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing and the restoration of the nations."

The leaves are for healing, but if our bodies are perfect and can't get injured then what is the purpose?

Isaiah 65:20-22 says: "There shall no more be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who dies prematurely; for the child shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner who dies when only a hundred years old shall be [thought only a child, cut off because he is] accursed.

They shall build houses and inhabit them, and they shall plant vineyards and eat the fruit of them.

They shall not build and another inhabit; they shall not plant and another eat [the fruit]. For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people, and My chosen and elect shall long make use of and enjoy the work of their hands."

🤔 Hmmm, does this mean that people will still die from old age as even a very old tree has a lifespan, but if someone dies young then they will be considered accursed?

Then it goes on and Isaiah 65:23 says: "They shall not labor in vain or bring forth [children] for sudden terror or calamity; for they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them."

So people will still labour, bear children and rest.

This sounds like time gets "reversed" to how it was directly after Adam and Eve were rejected from the Garden as people grew very old, could get hurt, had children, laboured to build houses, etc.

Am I missing something in my thinking and should I include other versus as this doesn't sound like the promise I was sold in church? 😳

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That's a good question. I think that the resurrected bodies will be perfect bodies, but still in need of nourishment and therefore, still have to eat. The bodies will be similar to what Adam and Eve had before the fall.

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The revelation passage says the leaves are for the healing and restoration of the nations, who do not have everlasting life. People of the first resurrection are priests, with access to the tree of life to heal the nations, and seem to be those who have everlasting life.

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The way I currently understand it, Isaiah 65-66 are taking about the time of the Millenial reign of Yeshua after the Great tribulation. I understand this period to be similar to the way you put it, the time of restoration of all things to the way Abba intended them to be when he created, why Torah being kept the way he loves, with Yeshua himself as our king.

Only after that I understand that the second and final resurrection will take place for the final judgement. For some for eternal life, for others for eternal death.
Only then will heaven and earth pass away and the new heaven and new earth be.

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this passage in isaiah 65 is a cat among the pigeons, isn't it?
it's there, so we do need to take it into account, and strive to understand it, but on the face of it it contradicts just about everything else.

isaiah himself, in 25:
says (smith's literal)

- 7And he will swallow up in this mountain the face of the covering covered over all peoples, and the veil covered over all nations.
8He swallowed up death for glory, the Lord Jehovah will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the reproach of his people he will remove from off all the earth, for Jehovah spake. -

isaiah also, therefore, says what revelation says, death will be swallowed up in victory. (he just seems to contradict himself in 65)
death, being the consequence of sin, has no purpose nor power once sin has been removed.
no sin = no death.
and death having been removed to the lake of fire implies no sin occurs anymore. or death would need to be reinstated.
(or, better thought out, it would make more sense if what was said would say the sinner is thrown into the lake to join death, forever. - i added this in later, because now i'm talking the next point already)

that those who were sinners get a different treatment in the new age is another story. or maybe that's part of 65?
here's smith's literal translation of 65:20

-20There shall be no more from thence a child of days, and an old man who shall not fill up his days: for the boy shall die the son of a hundred years and he sinning, the son of a hundred years, shall be cursed. -

read this way, more literally, it's sort of implying the boy who dies is the sinner who's cursed, the son of a hundred years being one and the same.
and no, i can't figure that out either.

i'm not nay-saying isaiah 65, i'm saying so much contradicts it one can't simply take it at face-value.

as to the tree(s) of life, i agree with mark, spending energy by living requires recharging. (the more interesting question is, do we still defecate?)

this passage in isaiah 65 is a cat among the pigeons, isn't it?  
it's there, so we do need to take it into account, and strive to understand it, but on the face of it it contradicts just about everything else.  
  
isaiah himself, in 25:  
says (smith's literal)  
  
- 7And he will swallow up in this mountain the face of the covering covered over all peoples, and the veil covered over all nations.  
8He swallowed up death for glory, the Lord Jehovah will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the reproach of his people he will remove from off all the earth, for Jehovah spake. -  
  
isaiah also, therefore, says what revelation says, death will be swallowed up in victory. (he just seems to contradict himself in 65)  
death, being the consequence of sin, has no purpose nor power once sin has been removed.   
no sin = no death.  
and death having been removed to the lake of fire implies no sin occurs anymore. or death would need to be reinstated. 
(or, better thought out, it would make more sense if what was said would say the sinner is thrown into the lake to join death, forever. - i added this in later, because now i'm talking the next point already)  
  
that those who were sinners get a different treatment in the new age is another story. or maybe that's part of 65?  
here's smith's literal translation of 65:20  
  
-20There shall be no more from thence a child of days, and an old man who shall not fill up his days: for the boy shall die the son of a hundred years and he sinning, the son of a hundred years, shall be cursed. -  
  
read this way, more literally, it's sort of implying the boy who dies is the sinner who's cursed, the son of a hundred years being one and the same.  
and no, i can't figure that out either.  
  
i'm not nay-saying isaiah 65, i'm saying so much contradicts it one can't simply take it at face-value.  
  
as to the tree(s) of life, i agree with mark, spending energy by living requires recharging. (the more interesting question is, do we still defecate?)

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You are on to something. There will be Anointed Yeshua's ruling class, and mortals (of Yisra'el and of the nations) also. Is 65:20 should not read 'in it', but 'from there' literally; and not necessarily referring to origin, but as you go out from Yerushalem, there will be there mortals.

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You have opened a question that concerns different times of when things happen and how they happen. I won't try to brings all of that into one place because that would be a very long read. some of the things you questions happen during the Millennial reign and some after in the new Jerusalem on the new earth. We are created as eternal beings and not terminal beings, but the new body we acquire appears to need to be nourished. without getting into the dispute about the translation of the word nations in the Revelation passage, I currently tend to side with those who read that as the general populous. The leaves for healing may not be for physical injury but may be to bring all together as in Acts. (all of one accord) We may have what is written but what we don't have is the complete vision of what John was shown. It is possible he is describing something no one has even thought about. It may be easier in this format to take smaller bites of this to prevent confusion, but that's just my opinion.

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