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This short video explains how church tradition developed the idea that God is composed of two or three beings. The truth is, God has always been one person only; the Father. Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah, but still human and not God or part of a Godhead.

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Thanks, the video is a good summary of the history of the origins of the conundrum.

I just want to expand on the topic as my personal view is that people don’t often think to understand the biological relationship between a parent and their child and therefore do not comprehend the relationship of Father and Yeshua.

We automatically associate the action of when Father puts life into the embryo that the baby now is a totally independent being. This is in one way correct when looking from a rational perspective, but not on a biological level. It is in fact still an “organ”, so to speak, growing inside the womb. If it was a foreign body then the mother’s body would reject it. When the baby is born, it now becomes a separate being. BUT when you look at the baby’s genes then you can see who the parents are. The baby will grow up and will have the features of the parents. In some instances people will say “you are a spitting image of your dad/mother”.

Here is a though experiment: When a person has some blood taken, is the blood now no longer “the person” as it is outside the body? It isn’t part of the person’s body any longer, but it still is a part of the person; if that makes sense. If we had the science to now take the blood and clone a person from the blood (an exact copy), is that clone a new person or still part of the original person as it is their blood that was multiplied to make the new person? What would the person look like; more like the dad or mother or the person’s whose blood it was?

Yeshua is called Father’s only begotten Son. This means that no other being came from Father as “only” refers to the singular. “Begotten” doesn’t refer to being created, so Yeshua wasn’t created like everything/everyone else. He came forth from Father.

It isn’t our standard way of thinking about reproduction as the existing law for procreation requires a male and a female. There is no mother God not even if modern Christianity wants to ascribe the female form to the Holy Spirit. (This would cause another conundrum as to who was first, Father or Mother???)

Going off on a tangent: This is “word smithing” by Christians as the feminine form of a word doesn’t mean that it ascribes a gender to something. In Spanish, a Coca-Cola has the feminine form “la Coca-Cola”, but I have never seen a male Coca-Cola. The feminine form of a word doesn’t ascribe a gender so the Holy Spirit doesn’t suddenly become female because feminine forms are used to describe Father’s Spirit.

Back to the subject, this is why Yeshua said “if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father”. Having just one parent, means that He looks 100% like Father as there are no “genes” shared with a mother.

“I and the Father are One” Two beings, but from the same source, Father. So Yeshua is a begotten child from Father, but an exact copy as there is no mother. Think about the “tough experiment” I gave earlier…

When was Yeshua begotten, well at least before time began as the John says: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.” and that the Word became flesh in the form of Yeshua.

Please let me know your thoughts as I would like to study more if you have additional thoughts on this.

Thanks, the video is a good summary of the history of the origins of the conundrum. 
 
I just want to expand on the topic as my personal view is that people don’t often think to understand the biological relationship between a parent and their child and therefore do not comprehend the relationship of Father and Yeshua.   
 
We automatically associate the action of when Father puts life into the embryo that the baby now is a totally independent being. This is in one way correct when looking from a rational perspective, but not on a biological level.  It is in fact still an “organ”, so to speak, growing inside the womb.  If it was a foreign body then the mother’s body would reject it.  When the baby is born, it now becomes a separate being.  BUT when you look at the baby’s genes then you can see who the parents are.  The baby will grow up and will have the features of the parents.  In some instances people will say “you are a spitting image of your dad/mother”. 
 
Here is a though experiment: When a person has some blood taken, is the blood now no longer “the person” as it is outside the body? It isn’t part of the person’s body any longer, but it still is a part of the person; if that makes sense. If we had the science to now take the blood and clone a person from the blood (an exact copy), is that clone a new person or still part of the original person as it is their blood that was multiplied to make the new person?  What would the person look like; more like the dad or mother or the person’s whose blood it was? 
 
Yeshua is called Father’s only begotten Son.  This means that no other being came from Father as “only” refers to the singular.  “Begotten” doesn’t refer to being created, so Yeshua wasn’t created like everything/everyone else.  He came forth from Father.   
 
It isn’t our standard way of thinking about reproduction as the existing law for procreation requires a male and a female.  There is no mother God not even if modern Christianity wants to ascribe the female form to the Holy Spirit.  (This would cause another conundrum as to who was first, Father or Mother???)  
 
Going off on a tangent: This is “word smithing” by Christians as the feminine form of a word doesn’t mean that it ascribes a gender to something.  In Spanish, a Coca-Cola has the feminine form “la Coca-Cola”, but I have never seen a male Coca-Cola.  The feminine form of a word doesn’t ascribe a gender so the Holy Spirit doesn’t suddenly become female because feminine forms are used to describe Father’s Spirit. 
 
Back to the subject, this is why Yeshua said “if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father”. Having just one parent, means that He looks 100% like Father as there are no “genes” shared with a mother. 
 
“I and the Father are One” Two beings, but from the same source, Father.  So Yeshua is a begotten child from Father, but an exact copy as there is no mother.  Think about the “tough experiment” I gave earlier… 
 
When was Yeshua begotten, well at least before time began as the John says: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.” and that the Word became flesh in the form of Yeshua.  
 
Please let me know your thoughts as I would like to study more if you have additional thoughts on this.

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