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Jerry Mitchell
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Ezekiel 18:23, “Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Lord GOD. Wouldn’t I prefer that he turn from his ways and live?” Repeated in various ways by several writers in the Bible, this verse would indicate that our Creator would send a warning to the people He is ready to judge for their rejection of His ways.

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091825 / 24th day of the 6th month 5786
WORD FOR TODAY “ those who follow MESSIAH are commanded to get one”: Luk 22:36 And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.

WISDOM FOR TODAY: Pro 22:22 Do not rob the poor because he is poor, Or crush the afflicted at the gate; Pro 22:23 For the LORD will plead their case And take the life of those who rob them.

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We must build all our belief upon what came before not our current customs.

And we must do so knowing Scripture was built the same way. The Torah was written based upon the teachings of what came before from all righteous servants of YAH. From Adam to Seth and from Enoch to Noach. From Shem to Abraham. From Isaac to Jacob and from Jacob to Moses. The truth was handed down till it came to Moses who codified it all and clarified it in the Torah for everyone and for always

Joshua and Samuel and Ezra and Nehemiah, Isaiah and Jeremiah and Malachi and David and Obediah and all the other righteous servants of YHWH wrote of the implementation of the Torah among the people of Israel and of their lack of obedience.

They wrote to call back the recreant Israelites to repentance and turning them back to true worship in following the Torah.

And then came the Messiah, Who also sent His disciples to do exactly the same as always. Their words and teachings were written to call the straying people back to obedience and to walking in righteousness after all.

We were not supposed to receive the last words inplace of the first… nor to act as the entirety of the teachings are given in one sitting, each equal to the other.

The New Testament is intended to be taken as a support of the teachings of the prophets and the prophets in support of the teachings of the Torah.

Not replacing it. Not adding to it. Not overturning it. Not taking any part of it away. And not set up as its equal.

The writings and prophets and gospels and epistles are collectively doing the same thing as eachother yet none of them are serving in the same fashion as the Torah.

Torah is the standard of righteousness. The Writings are the accounts of the people either following the standard or elsewise not following it. The Prophets are the records of condemnation upon the people for disobeying the standard of Torah and calling the people back to Torah observance.

Why then should anyone expect that after hundreds and thousands of years of Almighty YHWH giving us His Instructions in Torah and sending prophets to call us back to obedience thereto, that He all of a sudden decided to discard it all and deliver a different standard with no conditions, no curses and no consequences at all?!

We should not. We should not think our Heavenly Father changed His mind, that He changed His rules, or that He changed His high standard.

The Torah is the Divine Standard of YHWH. The Writings are the Divine record of who followed the Standard and who refused. The prophets are the Divine record of the call to repentance and punishment for those who refused.

The Gospels are the account of Messiah restoring the broken covenant, demonstrating the Standard perfectly, and paying for all our infractions of it.

And the epistles are the instructions of how we who walk the world hereafter are expected to live by Torah according to the clarifications of the prophets and doing their words in our daily lives, according to the demonstrations of those teachings.

All the Scriptures are ascending like stairs one step after the next to take us higher, each successive text built one upon another like portions of a splendid and holy House where we hope to live. All the pieces connect, pieces of a puzzle which fit flawlessly together to form a perfect picture.

If we act as if all the Bible was written as one together or treat the end as the only aspect of value then we will indeed end up in trouble in both our teaching and in our living.

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Henk Wouters

a very good description of the staircase.
just one step further...

the pharisees DID follow Torah, but 'blindly'.
they lacked a deeper understanding of what's going on.
and it showed.

so, while underscoring the standard that is the Torah,
'blindly' following it is nothing more than the pharisees did.
which it was made clear, is not exactly a good thing.

and so one needs to make use of that staircase you described to gain that better understanding of the things Torah is talking about.
indeed, question everything, and get biblical. in its entirety.
our Rabbi is speaking, all the time. (tibr)
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well i never, the johannine comma issue

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this is sort of a multi purpose post.
i want to show something about the relationship between the Father and the Word,
and as a result of that revisit the johannine comma,
and as a result of THAT show a certain useful attribute that allows progress in the Way.

so, we started off looking at certain anomalies in the Torah around different ways the Father is referred to.
please note that this did not start off with looking at the NT, it just got dragged into the mix, as it were.
we're focussing on three main references, El (or Elyon), Elohim (only when it's referring to the Father in some way, not as gods or sons of gods) and YHWH.
the first anomaly was deut 32:8-9

- 8When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance,
when He divided the sons of man,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
9But the LORD’s portion is His people,
Jacob His allotted inheritance. -

where the sons of God is actually the sons of Yisrael. and the LORD is YHWH.
so this verse, read directly, is indicating a distinction between the Most High and YHWH. nothing conclusive, yet.

then we have psalm 91.
now i usually use the berean standard bible translation, but this is better translated with smith's literal translation.

verse 1
- He dwelling in the covering of the Most High, in the shadow of the Almighty shall he lodge. -
where Almighty is Shaddai.

and verse 9 describes who 'He' is.
-For thou, O Jehovah, my trust; thou didst set the Most High thy refuge.-
where Jehovah is YHWH. and here a definite distinction is made.

now we drag the gospel of john in, chapter 1

- 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. -

understanding that through the WORD all things were made, we go to exodus 20, the giving of the ten commandments.

- 1And God spoke all these words:
2“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3You shall have no other gods before Me -

where God is Elohim, and the LORD your God is YHWH Elohim.
but then in verses 10-11

- 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God, on which you must not do any work—neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant or livestock, nor the foreigner within your gates. 11For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy. -

again where the Sabbath to the LORD your God is to YHWH Elohim, but in verse 11 it says YHWH, not YHWH Elohim, made everything.
interesting distinction...

why am i harping on about this?
because in 1 kings 8 we get verses 27-29

- 27But will God indeed dwell upon the earth? The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain You, much less this temple I have built. 28Yet regard the prayer and plea of Your servant, O LORD my God, so that You may hear the cry and the prayer that Your servant is praying before You today.
29May Your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, ‘My Name shall be there,’ so that You may hear the prayer that Your servant prays toward this place. -

where God is Elohim in verse 27 and O LORD my God is YHWH Elohim.
now this is saying that our Father cannot be in His creation, it cannot contain Him, but His Name CAN be in creation.
now before i state what conclusion i've come to regarding this, let me say that everything has always been stated from the beginning, and developed through time, both in the progress of history and in an individual's progress in understanding.
and i'm saying here we're seeing distinctions having been made from genesis already all the way through the OT in preparation for the Messiah's coming, and us getting to come to a certain understanding.

let's go back to verse 1 and 2 of john 1

- 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning -

the Word WAS God.
now i'm looking to find an understanding that will remove the anomalies i've mentioned in the previous passages.
and so my thoughts say

before creation there was the Father.
then, He created.
but He does not get contained in creation, yet He figures in it, how?
because He SPOKE creation into being, He 'Word-ed' it.
and His Word, being a part of Him yet not all of Him, CAN enter creation.
(as can His Spirit, btw, which brought adam to life. nobody seems to contend that!)

now the Name we received was given to moses, the famous I Am, YHWH.
and YHWH (or YHWH Elohim) is consistently referenced interacting with us, inside creation.
is it too far to jump in understanding to see the only Name, 'YHWH', is indeed the Word of john 1, and that then makes sense of deut 32 and psalm 91, exodus 20 for that matter too, and most especially 1 kings 8.
and that during the time of the OT writings, the distinction being made was not clear to them, as the time of the Messiah had not yet come?
and so we have a mishmash of references then to the Most High, then to Elohim, combinations with YHWH, all essentially from the same source, after all, the totality that is the Father before creation.
yet these key passages are making that certain distinction.
everything in the NT was talked about in the OT beforehand, YHWH even SAYS nothing will happen that He did not say would come to be, so that it would be clear to all.
and so where did john get his idea from in those first verses of his gospel?

now a further reading of john leads us to see the Word was manifested in the flesh.
(the Word that is) YHWH's Spirit entered into Yeshua, the begotten Son, at His baptism in the jordan.
the Word, Who WAS part of the Father before creation, and Who entered creation as YHWH, now took on human form, the culmination of the Plan. because through this He brought about our salvation, which in the OT YHWH (not YHWH Elohim, but YHWH) said HE would do, and the NT says Yeshua does.
this does bring up the issue of hebrew versions of the NT that translate the Father as YHWH, that doesn't compute, unfortunately.
what i learnt in the meantime from justin breithaupt about the aramaic originals clearly confirms Yeshua's identification with YHWH.
and so the Father of the NT is Elohim our Most High of the OT, who melchizedek was priest of, like Yeshua.
and now Yeshua saying He and the Father are one, and His reference to abraham make sense, His Spirit is talking, as it were, not His flesh.
just for clarity, again, Yeshua came to be when He was born. YHWH always was.

and so, with this understanding, i thought of the johannine comma.
now the johannine comma's provenance, the sequence of events of how it came to be inserted, are suspect to say the least.
especially because it came to be inserted after the concept of the trinity was first broached, and was subsequently used to strengthen that argument.
now the trinity speaks of the tri-une singleness of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, from the beginning.
Yeshua was born when He was born, and this, along with other reasons, were enough for me to reject the trinity concept.
but here's the johannine comma insertion.
1 john 5, and in the old king james

- 7For there are three that beare record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.] 8[And there are three that beare witnesse in earth], the Spirit, and the Water, and the Blood, and these three agree in one.

— King James Version (1611) -

the square brackets show what that insertion was.
and then, that stuff that i've concluded now is the way to look at it is actually EXACTLY what the johannine comma is saying.

the difference is, if you want to look at it as a trinity, it's correctly identifying these 'separate' elements of the Father, without in that definition including Yeshua the Man, who only existed from His birth.
that Yeshua NOW does indeed also figure in this is without doubt, as YHWH is manifested in Him, but it's got nothing to do with the (catholic) church's insistence that the Son was somehow always there.
so this comma, inserted so late that it looks so suspicious, is actually a super-correct clarification.

and so, in americanese, i eat crow.
i was wrong to reject the johannine comma. not the trinity concept of the church, but the comma itself.
and that is the attribute i'd like to make clear.
when you study, and your understanding changes, be prepared to change your viewpoint, if you don't you're blocking further growth.
now i know many objections can be raised, i hope they do, they would need to be worked through, just know i've thought long and hard about this, before making this post.
like i started off with,
well i never...

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Henk Wouters

small correction, because i want to be accurate.
melchizedek, and Yeshua, were priests of our Most High, not Elohim our Most High.
Elohim is to be seen as the totality of our Most High Father, including His Word (and Spirit of course), for They are in each Other and are One.
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As you rightly mentioned, the Johannine Comma is one of the most disputed textual variants in the New Testament. Its earliest appearances are not in Greek manuscripts but in Latin sources which means that over 5,800 Greek manuscripts predating the 10th century does not contain the Comma as it is written now. I therefore also rejected the trinity doctrine on this basis, but you bring a good argument to the table for the potential validity of these two verses when reading the rest of the Bible differently to the mainstream.

What is becoming clearer to me is that the Hebrew Bible's nuanced use of divine names reveals a distinction between Elyon and YHWH. This distinction culminates in John's Gospel, where YHWH (the Word who created and interacted with Israel) becomes incarnate in Yeshua. To me this way of interpreting Scripture resolves apparent contradictions in Scripture.

It does however require some cognitive dissonance and theological humility to want to read the verses you mentioned differently from what one was taught. If done, then there is a clear distinction in the Old Testament between Elyon, whom is called Father in the New Testament, and YHWH whom John refers to as The Word according to your thinking.

What makes these investigations difficult is that we were told to believe that there was no human interference with both the original Hebrew manuscripts and the translations and thereof that the Bible versions we have in our hands today are 100% inerrant. This isn't even true looking at how many different English translations there are as either a translation has an agenda behind it (think Catholic/Protestant, etc.) or they have to be significantly different for copyright laws. What exacerbates the problem is that the oldest partial Hebrew manuscripts are at least 400 years after the mainstream calculation of Moses' time so he didn't write it down himself. Best case, anything we have would be a copy of the original as the oldest original manuscripts are damaged and missing text would have to be "added in" or taken from later manuscripts; which by the nature of time could have been interfered with.

If we could 100% rely on the Hebrew version then it gets complicated as Elohim is a title and used for both Elyon and YHWH. What we then have to take into consideration is that Elohim means "deity" in our current understanding of the word and any being can be called an Elohim; and yes, there are multiple verses where Elohim is used for not only Elyon, but also YHWH and other created beings; think on the verse "...you are gods...". So merely using the title "Elohim" to address a being does not mean that that being is Elyon nor does it automatically mean that YHWH is Elyon.

The one question I still have is regarding the dove coming down on Yeshua at His baptism. If that is the spirit of YHWH infilling Him then it would mean that Yeshua was a normal person up to His baptism. How does that fit in with His reply to His parents when He was a child and said that He was doing the will of His Father? If He was a normal boy then what lead Him to this revelation of being more than a mere human at that age?

Also, does that mean that a person can be Spirit possessed as Yeshua would have had two spirits inside of Him as He doesn't speak like a person being spirit filled (all prophets had their doubts and acted "human" whereas Yeshua never does), but He has the demeanor of actually being the Son of Elohim? I hope I made this last question clear.
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Yes. Very interesting stream of thoughts Henk and Rhy, thanks for sharing.
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"Let him labour, and work with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give unto him that needeth."

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BIBLE STUDY -- ELIJAH FLEES

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ELIJAH AND THE SOFT WHISPER

From 1 Kings 19

When King Ahab told his wife Jezebel that Elijah had humiliated the prophets of Baal and then executed them, she sent a message to Elijah. “I vow by my gods that I will execute you by this time tomorrow,” she declared. When he received this message, Elijah was afraid and fled to save his life. First, he went to Beersheba, a city of Judah, where he left his servant. Then he went a day’s journey into the wilderness and there he sat under a broom tree and prayed that he might die. “I have had enough,” he said. “O Adonai, take my life now, for I am no better than my fathers.” Then he lay down to sleep beneath the broom tree. While he was sleeping, an angel touched him. “Arise and eat,” the Angel said. When Elijah looked, he saw by his head some bread baking on hot stones and a jar of water. He ate and drank and then lay down again, expecting to die. Again, the angel touched Elijah. “Arise! Eat more, for you have a long journey before you and you need strength for it.” Elijah arose and ate and drank again. He gained enough strength from that meal to travel forty days and nights all the way to Horeb, the mountain of YHVH and there he lived in a cave. Then Adonai spoke to him and said, “Why are you here, Elijah?” “I have given everything to serve You,” Elijah answered; “but the people of Israel have turned from You, broken their covenant with You, torn down Your altars and murdered Your prophets. I am the only prophet left and they are trying to kill me, too.” “Go out of your cave and stand on the mountain before Me,” Adonai commanded. Elijah obeyed and as he stood there, Adonai passed by. A great wind swept across the mountain, so fierce that it tore rocks from the mountainside, but Adonai was not in the wind. A mighty earthquake followed the wind, but Adonai was not in the earthquake. After the earthquake, fire swept down, but Adonai was not in the fire. Then came the sound of a soft whisper. When Elijah heard it, he recognized Adonai’s voice. He wrapped his face in his cloak and stood at the entrance to the cave. “Why are you here, Elijah?” Adonai asked. “I have given everything to serve You, but the people of Israel have turned from You, broken their covenant with You, torn down Your altars and murdered Your prophets. I am the only prophet left and they are trying to kill me too,” replied Elijah. “Stop feeling sorry for yourself, for I have great work for you to do,” Adonai told him. “As you go home, go by the Wilderness Road that leads to Damascus. Anoint Hazael to be the next king of Syria. Then anoint Jehu to be the next king of Israel. After that, anoint Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah to be the next great prophet after you. Jehu will execute those who escape from Hazael and Elisha will execute those who escape from Jehu. You should know also that there are still seven thousand people in Israel who have never bowed down before Baal to worship him.” Elijah headed for home. Along the way he found Elisha and other ploughmen ploughing with twelve yokes of oxen. Elijah went to Elisha, who was behind the twelfth yoke of oxen, threw his cloak over his shoulders and walked away. This was an obvious sign that Elijah was appointing Elisha to be YHVH’s prophet after him. Elisha ran after Elijah. “Let me go home and say good-bye to my father and mother,” he said. “Then I will go with you to serve you.” “Go on, but remember what I have done to you,” said Elijah. Elisha went back to his oxen, slaughtered the animals and cooked the meat over a fire he made with the yokes and the plough. Thus, he made a feast for his neighbours. After that, he went with Elijah to serve him.

COMMENTRY -- ELIJAH AND HIS TRAVELS

Old Testament prophets were people YHVH selected to act as His messengers. Some were given one task and never called again. Others like Elijah served their whole lifetimes as spokesmen for YHVH. Elijah worked in the northern kingdom during the reign of Ahab and Jezebel. His task was difficult, often causing him great hunger and fatigue. It also required much inner strength and the courage to meet fierce opposition. Elijah’s teaching usually dealt critically with the political, social and economic concerns of Israel. This was true of most other prophets as well. Because of that, they often earned the hatred of kings, the rich and the powerful. Prophets spoke to the common people as well as to the powerful. They taught the moral laws that should direct behaviour and their messages often included a prediction of future events that would result from a person’s actions. Fearless and outspoken, the prophets are remembered as people of moral vision, wisdom and courage.

Zarephath; a town on the Phoenician coast, between Sidon and Tyre. In Zarephath, Elijah stayed with a poor widow and her son. When they gave him the last of their food, Elijah miraculously refilled the flour and oil jars. They never again ran empty. Later, when the son died, Elijah’s prayers returned him to life.

Mount Carmel; one of the hills of the Carmel Mountain range, where Elijah challenged the prophets of Baal to a contest. When Baal failed to respond to their pleas, he called on YHVH to ignite the offering. A flash of fire consumed the altar as well as the sacrificial bull. Elijah then executed the false prophets. Since the contest had proven Baal to be a false YHVH, Elijah prayed for YHVH to return rain to the parched land.

Beersheba; a town in the desert section of Judah often referred to as the southernmost edge of the country. Elijah fled to this sparsely populated region to hide from Jezebel. The queen threatened to kill him for murdering the Baal prophets she had brought from Phoenicia. Frightened and exhausted, Elijah lay down to die, but an angel awoke him, gave him food and sent him to Mount Horeb.

Mount Horeb; a mountain in the Sinai Desert, where Elijah found shelter and rest in a secluded cave. Here YHVH spoke to Elijah, comforting him and giving him instructions to anoint the next kings of Syria and Israel, and to appoint Elisha as the next prophet.

Jezreel; city where Ahab and Jezebel lived. Jezebel plotted to kill Naboth, a man who owned a vineyard next to the palace. When Ahab greedily took possession of the vineyard, Elijah appeared to deliver a curse from YHVH. The king’s male descendants would die early and dogs would lick the king’s blood at his death. These were among the worst Israelite curses.

Samaria; Ahaziah, son of Ahab, fell through a hole in the upper floor of his Samarian palace. He sent servants to the YHVH Beal-zebub, to inquire about his health. Elijah stopped the messengers and predicted that the evil king would die soon.

Jordan River; Elijah parted the waters to cross with Elisha. On the eastern side of the river, a sudden whirlwind lifted Elijah from the ground, and he disappeared.

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Thought for Today: Thursday September 18

Do people who have died and gone to heaven know what happens on earth? The Bible does not give us an absolute clear answer about this, but it does hint that they may be aware of what takes place here on earth. In Hebrews, the writer paints a picture for us --- a picture of a stadium filled with spectators, perhaps watching us as we live out our life and cheering us on as we stretch towards the finishing line. What we do know for sure -- is that YHVH sees us – and that should be enough to encourage us to live for the Moshiach and do what is right.

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