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Are all the dead risen to everlasting life?

The Roman Catholic picture of hell is most likely burnt into all of our minds. One of eternal fire and torture of the lost souls.

Is this belief maybe based on scriptures like 1 Cor 15:52 which says: "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed."

In the Amplified version there are notes about only the saved receiving imprishable bodies, but I don't see that in other translations.

What then happens at the second death, or isn't it "death" but rather eternal torture and John's vision was written down incorrectly?

Rev 20:14-15 (ESV): "Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Rev 21:8 (ESV): "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

So, actually everyone receives eternal life, but our judgements determine where we spend eternity.

This then means that Father can't destroy our souls, but only our bodies so Matthew 10:28 is false: "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

What are your thoughts on this?

#hell #gehenna #eternallife

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I believe the second death is actual destruction of the being. I dont believe in eternal torment. We are all mortals since adam & eve. Theose who have not repented still do not have everlasting life, unlike those who have repented and obey Torah. Yah is a righteous judge. He would not give everlasting life to unrepentant just to punish them eternally.

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Where their worm never dies… Mark 9:48
Dan 12:2 everlasting contempt

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Sorry if it seems quite simple to me: "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." 1Cor 15

Grammatically, the "we" is Christians, and "the dead" is a group within that "we" in that sentence.
When dead, the spirit is separate from the body, the unjust are tormented, and the just have rest; both are raised for the judgement, when the unjust will be put to death a second time, and again tormented, while the just will be immortal, inseparable from the body, spirit and body one forever, living in the new heavens and new earth.

One thing the Catholics get quite wrong is the idea that Satan is a lord of hell, and rules it, and dwells there, and his demons torture people. This maybe came from paganism, equating hell with "the underworld" of Greco-Roman mythology.
It seems to me that Scripturally few things could be more ridiculous: Satan is the enemy of hell, God's judgement, and it is his demons who are tormented by God: as they besought Christ not to torment them before the time, for they recognised their judge, who holds the keys of hell and of death.

By the way, what AI did you use? ?

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In the Trinitarian view...

How would you explain 1 Cor 15:27-28 which says:

"For He (the Father) has put all things in subjection under His (Christ’s) feet. But when He says, “All things have been put in subjection [under Christ],” it is clear that He (the Father) who put all things in subjection to Him (Christ) is excepted. However, when all things are subjected to Him (Christ), then the Son Himself will also be subjected to the One (the Father) who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all."

This clearly speaks of two beings; one subjecting all things under the other and the second being subject to the first.

And yet, Father and Son are one.

#trinity #trinitarian

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The Father and Son are One. But that doesn't make the Son co-equal to the Father. The Father is still greater than the Son.

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Not a trinitarian, but I see the Father and Son as One, like literally. "Hear O Israel, YHWH your God is One". It would be like saying my hand is different than me. My hand is just part of me.

This is where I see Paul as important, but not Scripture (i.e. the end all be all authority.) He is a teacher and gives his understanding. In verse 27, he is quoting Psalm 8, which that verse is talking about humans in general.

The implication would be that Yeshua was just a human, nothing more if we are keeping the Psalm in context. And I see some of that in the "two beings" reasoning. There are even some out there (mainly on TikTok) that will say Yeshua was just a human like the rest of us. He is still our Messiah, but he wasn't YHWH/God.

Going back to Paul, verse 28 has no proof text (other Scripture) behind it that I am aware of or can find. Because 28 is the big implication that there are two different beings we are talking about here. One that is ruling and will eventually give up that rule.

I know there is a teaching in Judaism of a greater YHWH and a lesser YHWH, and maybe that is what Paul is referring to here.

The issue I have with the whole "two beings" reasoning is most in that would agree, as do I, that pretty much any mention of YHWH is actually Yeshua. Mt. Sinai: Yeshua, With Abraham before Sodom and Gomorrah: Yeshua, Walking around in the Garden: Yeshua.

If this is the case, where is the Father? Literally Gen 1:1 and then we never see Him again? That makes no sense to me.

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The Father and the Son are not two beings; that is bitheism.

The Father and Son are qualitatively equal. The Father is God, and the Son is God; they can’t be more divine or less divine. Subordinationism is the belief that the Father created the Son, and therefore, the Son is less divine than the Father; this is unbiblical. However, within Trinitarianism, the Son is functionally subordinate to the Father; this has to do with their exclusive roles within the Godhead.

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Psalm 37:7—8, “Wait and trust the LORD. Don’t be upset when others get rich or when someone else’s plans succeed. Don’t get angry. Don’t be upset; it only leads to trouble.” (ICB) Sometimes the best advice is the most difficult to accept and apply to our lives.

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Thought for Today: Thursday March 07

When our steps begin to align with YHVH's purpose, our hearts discover a new kind of joy.

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"If ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."

Ro 8

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\Fear of Yahweh is clean.\ Original Hebrew Scripture from Psalm 19
"Fear of Yahweh is clean."
יִרְאַת יְהוָה טְהוֹרָה

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And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know YHVH', for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares YHVH. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34

Denominations, missions, etc., are all proof that the New Covenant is not fully in force yet. As long as one person needs to teach another about God and his Law, the New Covenant is still waxing, but not full.

David's covenant didn't cancel Moses' which didn't cancel Abraham's which didn't cancel Noah's. No covenant annuls an older one. Neither does the New Covenant replace the Old. It expands it and restores it to its original purpose.

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I find it interesting how many people don't get the idea of waxing. A kingdom can be started but yet not fully here. A new covenant can be started but yet not fully realized.

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Woohoo??? Finally someone who understand it the same as I do.

I have stopped telling people this as their eyes just glaze over as their church doctrines kicks in.

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And the Spirit said to Philip, "Go over and join this chariot." So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
Acts 8:29-30

The eunuch in Acts 8 wasn't only the treasurer of Ethiopia, he was a wealthy man in his own right. He had a driver, and probably a full retinue, and a scroll was a very expensive item. He wasn't someone a commoner would approach casually, but God brought him into a mental and spiritual condition to be ready to receive the Messiah. He brought Philip to the right time and place to deliver the Word that the eunuch needed to hear. God provides opportunities to serve. Be sensitive to the prompting of the Spirit as well as to things that stand out as unusual or inviting.

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When I make videos I get this thing I call, 'Silent Watchers'. They don't comment, like, or dislike. They just watch, but with Canada's new online bill I haven't been able to continue my subscription with BitChute. I assume they don't want to go to prison for life for supporting my "terroristic hate speech". Everyone is a hypocrite and the ones who say they are not are liars as well. What kind of journey did you think you'd be on when Yahshua said you're gonna be searching for treasures the world now knows are in the earth? A rough dig, deeper then the grand cannon. Wider then earth! Your journey is supposed to be a struggle that drags down both your ruach and your body. I do not moneyize my videos on any platform, because I am not supposed to ask for mandatory payment for them to hear the Word. That's why I didn't get into Rumble. And I guess Gab is definitely off the table. Been kicked from so many places. If I fight another video violation from FascistTube then my whole account will be deleted and I'd rather lose a video here and there over the years then loose a coupld thiusand videos in a day. FascistBook is no better. I can't even type out posts without getting a ban, because the true narrative really hurts especially when you point out that this covid assault on the world was a NATO attack thanks to the Pirbright Institute located in Surrey, England. Oof! Can't say that! The reason I don't stand with governments is because if you know the history of the world, you'll see that they all uprooted the people there and violated every part of Yahuah's Torah to do it..let that sink in. The world is Sedom and Amorah; doesn't matter what side you pick. Only salvation is in Yahuah's Torah by the blood of Yahshua and there is no other Way. Not one single idol can exchange esteem with Yahuah! HalleluYah!

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