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AI generated music

I had an interesting discussion with my family last night about the impact that AI generated music will have on the quality and quantity of music and the livelihoods of artists and the world at large.

As with all automation, there is an impact on the workers whose work has been taken impacted. This can be viewed from both sides of the fence; goods becoming more affordable vs. people losing their income.

But what if the people being impacted don't make money from their area of expertise and do it for the love of getting a message out? Is the impact then the same as for people who get rich from that area? Let's take music and movies as an example. Most true Biblical musicians do it to get the word out and free most of the times. There is very little impact on them if there are more musicians. Verses those who are dependent on sales as they are building their riches.

I am also reminded of Luke 19:40 which says: "And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out."

This is very much how I see the impact of AI created music as computers can be used to make music in praise of Father. Silicon chips are therefore making music to praise Father if musicians can't/won't.

As example, have a listen to the latest music I have added to https://tube.ttn.place/music which I wouldn't have been able to do before as I am not a musician myself.

What are your thoughts on this as I want to both support our community artists and provide more Scriptural music for the community?

#aimusic #ai #music

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When we think of impact, often the first thought goes to money. However, I see another impact in the perception side of things.
To take another creative avenue: images. A lot of the AI images are beautiful. Something that even if I had kept up with my drawing from when I was a kid, might not ever achieve. This is discouraging. And I can see it keeping someone, who might have a love for doing any kind of art, from doing it. Because it will take them years to get even close to the level of some person behind a computer typing a few words into AI and then labels it "their" art.

And I know prompting is a skill unto itself and I am not trying to say they haven't gained a skill, but the amount of effort to gain one skill versus the other is vastly different. And when they call themselves artists, it feels like a punch in the gut sometimes.

From what I've listened so far to the music, as a music lover (not a musician), I don't care for it.

The rock song vocals are all wrong and it sounds very public domain rock, like what you hear in movies when they can't pay for a popular song.

The blues song was decent until it got to the bridge and the backup singers or reverb or whatever it was kicked in. That sounded like the old dial-up days when you tried to stream a song.

The melodic song, the vocals are off. Similar to the bridge in the last song, but not quite as bad, but still something that sticks out to me.

But, all of them are good enough that I could see a similar situation to what I present above: someone looking to be a musician putting the time and effort to learn how to play and someone comes along and puts out something like these which are better than where they are currently at. They see the effort whoever put into making them, and either drop music all together or maybe move over to doing it this way.

An argument for it would be techno. I know there was a lot of hate for it when it came out because it is "just hitting buttons on a computer". I am not a fan of techno, but I know it is very popular. Maybe AI could be its own genre, somehow? IDK.

There was a meme I saw on FB a while back that went to the tune of: We were hoping that machines would take over our jobs so that we could have more time to paint and play music, instead we have made machines that paint and play music and we still have work. Who signed us up for this?

When we think of impact, often the first thought goes to money. However, I see another impact in the perception side of things. 
To take another creative avenue: images. A lot of the AI images are beautiful. Something that even if I had kept up with my drawing from when I was a kid, might not ever achieve. This is discouraging. And I can see it keeping someone, who might have a love for doing any kind of art, from doing it. Because it will take them years to get even close to the level of some person behind a computer typing a few words into AI and then labels it "their" art. 
 
And I know prompting is a skill unto itself and I am not trying to say they haven't gained a skill, but the amount of effort to gain one skill versus the other is vastly different. And when they call themselves artists, it feels like a punch in the gut sometimes. 
 
From what I've listened so far to the music, as a music lover (not a musician), I don't care for it. 
 
The rock song vocals are all wrong and it sounds very public domain rock, like what you hear in movies when they can't pay for a popular song.  
 
The blues song was decent until it got to the bridge and the backup singers or reverb or whatever it was kicked in. That sounded like the old dial-up days when you tried to stream a song. 
 
The melodic song, the vocals are off. Similar to the bridge in the last song, but not quite as bad, but still something that sticks out to me. 
 
But, all of them are good enough that I could see a similar situation to what I present above: someone looking to be a musician putting the time and effort to learn how to play and someone comes along and puts out something like these which are better than where they are currently at. They see the effort whoever put into making them, and either drop music all together or maybe move over to doing it this way. 
 
An argument for it would be techno. I know there was a lot of hate for it when it came out because it is "just hitting buttons on a computer". I am not a fan of techno, but I know it is very popular. Maybe AI could be its own genre, somehow? IDK. 
 
There was a meme I saw on FB a while back that went to the tune of: We were hoping that machines would take over our jobs so that we could have more time to paint and play music, instead we have made machines that paint and play music and we still have work. Who signed us up for this?

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Yes, my daughter is 16 and really, really blessed by Father with her skills. She drew a strawberry 2 years ago that already was photo realistic. She wanted to become a professional game developer, but things have changed to drastically over the past two years with AI that she has had to rethink her future plans as she is finishing school in 2 months time. ?

There will however always remain a place for original artists. I have been trying to get a decent 7 headed dragon from multiple AI platforms and it doesn't even come close, at present. I'm not saying it won't one day, but not at present.

People may also become fedup with all the fake that they then opt for only human art and music.

Thanks for listening to the songs and your honest feedback. I have learned a bit over the past 2 days and am looking to refine the prompts between the platforms so that the music flows more. I had to manually stitch some of the songs together as there is a time limit on the one platform. That might be what you have noticed.

The scary thing is that I tried to do a similar thing 6 months ago and there was nothing close to this quality or ability. Just think what it might be 6 months from now. This is the worst it will ever be... ?

Yes, I was thinking of Techno, but didn't want to hurt people's ears if that wasn't the "acceptable" genre. I will definitely try it next week with some EDM music as well.

Yes, AI is replacing people. The past year I have most likely saved about $5,000 on development costs and many, many hours of frustration by using ChatGPT to help me with development. This is great for me, but might not be for the "copy-paste"-type entry level developers as it makes existing mediocre developers like me look better than we truly are. ?

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Sounds very interesting and fun!

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This sounds great. But i am not a member on TTN i am on the free membership not the one to pay. But I do play music and have written my first song 2 months ago.
Please let me know more on this if possible? That would be great

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I have started work on the new Music site on https://music.ttn.place and would appreciate it if you could give it a go and let me know if you find any bugs while I am finishing things off.

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I also assume that in the new Earth people will know right from wrong and choose not to sin. From memory I heard/read there will be the reminder of sin in the scars in the hands and feet of Messiah.