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SHTF has always been such a difficult term to use in polite company, but in Bro Richard article on https://docs.google.com/docume....nt/d/1lVpPikzHQEuFlo he uses BHTF (Brimstone Hits The Fan) which is such a more appropriate acronym to use.

The article is worth a read for general preparedness. ?

Thanks Bro Richard ?

docs.google.com

Brimstone hits the fan guide - Google Docs

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I had an interesting "chicken or egg" thought come up this morning in regards to a discussion I had with on the new moon.

Down the rabbit hole we go...

When the earth was created, did Father create the bird eggs or the mature birds? Was Adam a baby and suddenly grow? Were the plants created as seeds and suddenly sprouted?

Or was all creation there at once (except for Adam, naturally) when Father spoke it?

This then leads me to my actual thought, was the sun and moon and stars created bright or did they come into their brightness over time?

Then, if the moon didn't come into its light, was it then created fully illuminated and if so, shouldn't that be the new moon?

#moedim #1abib #determiningthefeastdates

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If everything was mature, then the lit moon is the mature, not new, moon.

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Good question to ponder. I like it.

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I could argue when it comes to the moon both full or new. I lean new because that is the cycle being played out in Creation -> From Darkness to Light. -- However, due to the wording of "The Lesser Light to rule the night", I could see the argument that it was full. I've never been anywhere without light pollution, that I can recall, so does the moon give off any light when it is new, I don't know. I assume not because we can't see now, but where I live, I also can't see the Milky Way, and I know from pictures and people's accounts, you can see it. So, IDK. But as I said, I lean new.

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Are Messianic Judaism and Hebrew Roots the same faith or different faiths with a lot of similarities?

Messianic Judaism and Hebrew Roots are the same.

Messianic Judaism and Hebrew Roots are different faiths

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So far most votes are opposed to my view, so I would love to hear that side of the point.

My view however is that Messianic Judaism is practicing Torah, beign brought up on it, and therefore following Yeshua as the Torah points to Him.

Hebrew Roots started with Yeshua (as Jesus) and started to follow Torah as He pointed us to it.

Both obey the Torah and have the testimony of Yeshua, so they are similar.

Yes, we can find differences, but we are still family. As example, my son can believe different to me on some topics, but that doesn't make him less my son and our overarching beliefs are the same.

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I find the only ones that view them as different faiths are those attributing themselves to "Messianic Judaism". I believe this is due to not wanting to be associated with "Hebrew Roots" and all the baggage that has been placed on it either by outsiders, insiders that don't know better, or let's just call it for what it is: the crazies.

Even among those that attribute themselves to MJ, there are just as vast of differing opinions as there are to those of HR. You've got those that go full Ultra-Orthodox with Khabala and Talmud, to those don't go that far, but do everything mainstream Judaism does including separating in sermons and practice those of Jewish decent and "Gentiles", to those that are much like reform that look at the practices and learn from them, but don't necessarily do them. Some go as far as say Yeshua was a Pharisee and the Pharisee line of practice is the only correct way.

To 's point above, it does seem those associating with MJ seem to have either come from Judaism (without Yeshua and are now grabbing onto Him) and those associating with HR are those coming out of Christianity (without Torah and now are grabbing onto it). Sure there are exceptions, as there will always will be, but the majority of what I have seen, this is generally true.

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While Messianic Judaism, Hebrew Roots and even Church of God groups that are offshoots of Herbert W. Armstrong are all Torah followers in Yeshua, there are different schools of Torah followers in Yeshua and that's fine. Some groups will have a Hebraic expression of the faith while others will have the expression of a traditional church.

Another reason why I see Messianic Judaism and Hebrew Roots as different but similar faiths is that a Hebrew Roots group cannot join a Messianic Jewish organization as far as I know. But I know that as time goes on, there will be overlap among the different groups within the Torah in Yeshua mevement.

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